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The Billmann pharmacy can supply them, I think I will also order them there.

I still take Clavella once a day. Do you know that? I don't take anything else, I try to eat reasonably healthy, exercise, have little stress and keep everything that is not good for me away from me as much as possible.

No, a friend told me about it, but a few years ago. She swears by it and tried to get pregnant with her ex-husband for years. It didn't work.

Then new husband, took Clavella, bang, pregnant.

It certainly won't have been due to Clavella alone, but it didn't do any harm either.

At the moment I'm struggling with extreme water retention and weight gain.

I really don't feel well at the moment

I took estrifam 3x2 mkg for 12 days and then 3x2+1x2 vaginally for 5 days and since yesterday only the pill

Yes, but putting everything inside you that is supposed to help somehow can't be the solution either......

Last week I also drank greapefruit juice, it didn't do anything, but it tasted ok

How are you doing with your weight?

Have you put on weight?

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I don't think I'm a benchmark here - the hormones always made me lose my appetite and I lost weight ... even at the beginning of my pregnancy.

Did you have any other side effects?

I had gradually put on weight before the hormones, now it's 6 kilos.

And looking back, I really had mood swings. When I started Estrifam in January, my mood improved, which is also good for my environment.

Before that, I tried everything I could think of to lose the 6 kilos - no chance. Locarno, sports 3 times a week, no sugar, nothing.

Fortunately, my hair loss has improved thanks to the hormones, and I no longer have this inner restlessness, which can also drive you crazy

I only started taking hormones for fertility treatment in January.

In the two years before that, I had only taken Cycloprgynova once or twice for an unnatural cycle, the last time about 3/4 of a year ago.

So my mucous membrane didn't build up for a long time, which is why I understand that it may now need a little boost from a higher dosage. Perhaps I was a bit naive to believe that everything would work straight away.

Hair loss and restlessness are probably due to the menopause.

The whole thing started when I stopped taking the pill at 35 after 22 years. And then the running from doctor to doctor started. Then I also had bad luck and was treated by the wrong gynaecologist for a long time (he thought I was simply too old for children in my late 30s). But you can't say treatment, he simply lied to me that I was too stressed, that I should go on vacation and then I would come back pregnant........

That's all he did. That meant I had already lost two years.

When I stopped taking the pill and at some point my body had less and less oestrogen, my hair started to fall out. Sometimes I would lie in bed and have these hot spells - but luckily only for a short time. I never had them during the day, thank goodness. But then they became less frequent and I rarely had them before the hormones. But then came the inner restlessness, which appeared in the last six months. I'm sitting on the sofa and suddenly notice how my heart starts racing and I'm somehow completely restless. I can't really describe it. My pulse is racing and I'm actually really tired, but I just can't calm down. And then you go to bed with this feeling and at some point you don't sleep well.

Looking back, it might have been better if I'd had hormones a year ago when the topic of EZS came up. Then my Gbmsh would possibly have been in practice, but how are you supposed to know all this as a non-doctor?

My doctor at the KIWU always says that he is not allowed to advise me on this because the goal I am pursuing is forbidden in Germany. Yes, ok, you can kind of understand that.

How are you supposed to know everything that we women go through? I didn't know what the AMH value was or that there is a premature menopause until 5 years ago.

It's a shame that, in my opinion, there is so little to no information about this.

And it's even worse that people who have not voluntarily decided not to have children are being punished.

By the way, I ordered my patches from Billman Apo, they will be delivered next week, it was all very straightforward, thanks for the tip

I then switched from the "bad" gynecologist to another one. But he didn't really know what to do either and referred me to the KiWu. The Dr. there also examined everything again, but an AMH of 0.01 alone is pretty clear. He also had my partner's sperm tested and then drew our attention to the EZS, but always with the information that he was not allowed to give advice and the like because it is forbidden in Germany.

Last Friday he also did an ultrasound because my local gynaecologist only measured 3.5 mm and I was totally desperate.

I then went to him and he measured 5.4 mm. Not enough, but better news than 3.5 mm after 10 days of Estrifam.

The only bad thing is that it's always 60 km to Kiwu. At the gynaecologist's it's only 10, but apparently he can't measure properly or his device isn't up to date or something.....

I have to pay for the ultrasound at both, it doesn't matter....I'll go back to Kiwu for the next ultrasound for the preparation, that's for sure

Hello Conby,

Thank you for your kind words.

I am in the middle of menopause, last period (without medication) was October 2022.

Thanks for the tip, I will listen to it.

We don't give up that easily. I've had to fight for my goals so often in my life, so I'm not surprised that it's the same now. But giving up is not an option at the moment. We are going to be good parents and often something really good just takes a little longer

I just wish all of us here that our dream of having a child will come true. There are so many women who wish for nothing more....t really makes you sad. But it's helpful to be able to exchange ideas here, no matter in what respect. Women who don't have our problem can't understand our feelings etc., so it's nice to know that I can share my thoughts, experiences etc. here.

Yes, you're absolutely right, it's disrespectful and presumptuous.

But that's how people are in many areas.

If everyone put their own house in order, things would certainly be a lot more relaxed.

The doctor who lied to me is older and from a different culture. Maybe it has something to do with that. Or it was a personal thing - I don't know. As the endocrinologist said to me, "Yes, it's bad what he did or didn't do, but there's no point thinking about it, you have to look ahead and concentrate on the present." She's right, but it's hard.

We're just fighting for the day to come when we can hold our child in our arms and say it was worth the fight and now it's just about us as a family.

I was 35 when I stopped taking the pill and then the drama took its course.

Hello, I just wanted to give you a brief update. Our donor donated in January. I then started the medication to build up the mucous membrane, I no longer have a cycle - premature menopause.

In the first attempt, the build-up was not good enough, the thickness was 5.4, three layers but too thin. So then I took the pill to trigger the period.

Now with the second attempt yesterday I had a thickness of 8.9 or 8.4 and a three-layer structure. The clinic is happy so we can pick up our worm in DK on Monday.

In the second attempt, the medication was slowly increased and I am currently taking the following:

2mg estradiol orally + vaginally in the morning

at noon 2mg Estradiol orally

In the evening 2mg Estradiol orally +vaginally

Every two days 2 patches of 100 Vivelle each

from tomorrow Cyclogest will be added, first in the evening 1*rectal and 1*vaginal and from Thursday in the morning

That's quite a lot, if I may say so myself..........

But so far I'm tolerating it quite well, with occasional abdominal pain and my breasts hurt.

Since I had to go to the Kiwu in Germany regularly for an ultrasound, I was able to ask the Dr. about the side effects - he said "at the level of medication, everyone would have breast pain"

In addition, I have already accumulated quite a lot of money for ultrasounds, which I have to pay for myself.

Let's just hope that everything goes well.