Kiwu Clinic egg donation exchange abroad

Hello Carolinsche, first of all welcome to the forum.

The question is whether you have already decided on a specific country. You need to know that there are countries where only anonymous egg donation is possible, e.g. Spain, or open donation, e.g. Denmark.

I myself have been to Spain, for example, simply because they are very advanced in this area and have very good success rates. However, they are also more expensive than the Czech Republic, for example. However, there have been a few complaints here recently, especially from Czech clinics, about a lack of communication and standardized treatment without individual reference to the treatment history.

I would recommend that you first narrow it down a bit by asking about the country and then there are lots of girls here who will be happy to help you.

I was at Ferticare in Prague, we were very satisfied, it worked on the first try. Our daughter is the happiest and sweetest creature ever ♡

We are currently hearing from the clinic that communication is slow. I can't say anything about that, it was ok with us.

They speak German and I got on well.

A donor was found super quickly and I've heard from many people who have been to Ferticare that it went just as quickly.

We took the "biggest" package that was offered with 4 guaranteed blastocysts, a free cryotransfer and 1 year freezing of sperm/blastocysts. However, the man must have a normal spermiogram for this. This package currently costs 8500 euros. Other packages start at 5900.

Depending on where you have to travel from, there is also a Ferticare clinic in Karlovy Vary and Znojmo.

I was told at the time: you can wish for anything, but the more detailed it gets, the more difficult it is for the clinic and then of course the longer the waiting time.

The doctor told me at the time: if it has to be a violin virtuoso, we'll find one, but it can take a long time.

That was an exaggeration, of course.

My husband's blood group and education were important to him at the time. That was taken into account. It was important to me that the donor had roughly my body type. Hair/eyes didn't matter, but they were matched anyway.

Incidentally, we rejected the first suggestion because the donor was really much taller than me.

We found out:

Year of birth, hair color, eye color, height, weight (when asked), profession (or in our case, university degree subject), that she has already donated once, that she has a child of her own (I thought that was really good) and a few hobbies.

Hello Carolinsche,

You asked the question to Claudia, but I think I can also say that this forum is of course also there for an exchange !!!

I asked the same question a few weeks ago ... I also got nice and helpful answers, but at that time there was probably no one here who was also about to have their first or repeat egg donation ...

We are also with Ferticare, after we were actually already quite far along with a Spanish clinic. However, they quickly disqualified themselves for us as it was impossible to deal with us...

As I have already written elsewhere, the first preparation cycle for the EZS had to be aborted because the mucosa did not want to ...

Now the first transfer was on 15.10 and I'm pregnant - tomorrow (exactly 14 days after the transfer) I'm going for a blood test and I'm very, very excited!!! We all know the HCG issue ... but I have to say I am relaxed because we have already overcome the biggest hurdle for me.

A little creature has nested in me, which has happened twice in 10 years of trying to have children and not at all in the last four years... But I am quite positive because we have had all our blastos genetically tested.

Now that it worked the first time... there are certainly many conclusions for me, but two come directly to mind:

1) my eggs seem to have been in very poor condition for at least the last 10 years... and I was 34 then....

2) and in my case, the ERA test I took 4 times and I was supposed to have a massively shifted implantation window (181 hours) after my last SS which ended at 9/10 weeks... this was complete garbage... because it was now inserted completely "normally" !!!!

Carolinsche, if you are interested in more detail, I would list again what was really good ... and what was also less good ...

LG

Hello !

I believe that negative feelings are not only, but also related to how quickly it works...

Let me first list what was/is positive about Ferticare:

*A quick first appointment was possible with a competent and experienced doctor on a requested Friday.
I was examined and my husband had to give a sperm sample.

The sperm was examined immediately and we were told on the spot that we could choose the guarantee package.

As Fliege has already reported, this costs €8500 and guarantees 4 blastos.

If you want to have the genetic test, you are of course not entitled to four "healthy" Blastos ... the guarantee applies to Blastos that have not been tested.

During the consultation, we were given a free choice and nothing was "forced" on us.

A potential donor had already been selected in advance, because the hard facts about us had of course already been established beforehand.

During the initial consultation, we were given the following information about the potential donor by the nice doctor:

Age, eye color, hair color, weight, height, blood group, the info that she had a very good egg reserve and had already successfully donated once. She also had an education, spoke several languages and had lived in Germany before.

We decided on the spot that we had the donor and wanted to start with Ferticare.

In the first step, we had to pay €3000 ... this sum was initially for the donor ... medication and surgery.

It was clear that we wanted to have a genetic analysis. The costs ultimately depend on how many blastos have to be examined...

The donor was then stimulated as soon as her cycle allowed.

13 eggs were retrieved from her. All of them could be fertilized. Nine of them developed into blastocysts and after genetic testing, six of them remained, which were actually of very good to good quality.

The genetic analysis was supposed to take 4 weeks, but was completed after just 2 weeks!

Costs for the 9 blastos - 4000 €.

As mentioned, we wanted to start with the first transfer in September.

Stimulation plan... prescriptions... everything always organized by the German coordinator ... always quickly and smoothly via WhatsApp and email.

Unfortunately, my mucous membrane didn't want to, although it had never caused any problems before ...

My fertility clinic in Germany said... of course it can be inserted and Ferticare said... we don't insert at 6.4 mm... no Blasto should be wasted. I thought that was a very good statement.

So we started again the next month with a medication for the mucous membrane.

You can of course say that a standard protololl was chosen, but it already covers many areas that were never covered as standard in Germany.

Progesterone - Ferticare works with 110 hours of progesterone until transfer. I opted for 120 hours.

Cyclogest was prescribed. The progesterone level was determined on the day of the transfer and I was given an intramuscular injection because I had already experienced that my progesterone was never that great.

Asperin 100 was prescribed directly for the blood circulation.

The area of immunology is countered with prednisolone 5mg.

Then you get an antibiotic for 4 days plus lactic acid suppositories. This is about the microbiome. I have to confess that I haven't taken this as I've been looking after my microbiome for years😉...

Estrifam for the mucous membrane.

Ovitrelle one day before the start of progesterone was not used for triggering, because with Estrifam you usually don't have ripe follicles. And Ovitelle one day before transfer.

If you want ERA to be considered, this is taken into account - however, Ferticare says that this test has been shown to have no benefit.

I could practically choose the day of the transfer.

Everything was great at the transfer and everyone was super nice with lots of time - good care!

I was then informed of my prigesterone value and after 8 days I had to have the P. determined again and send it to Ferticare. I then had to start injecting Prolutex.

Sooooo... and now the negative things that I didn't like.

The coordinator, who you have contact with most of the time, is super nice and always available via WhatsApp. Even in urgent cases during her vacation and at the weekend.

Unfortunately, you sometimes get the feeling that she is really challenged and stressed (when we were with her, her cell phone was constantly ringing or beeping)...

This probably leads to her answering quickly, but always very briefly and sometimes difficult to understand. Especially when the topics become more complex ... in my case it was ERA ... it became difficult. I then asked for a telephone appointment, which I got, but it took a while. And then she was able to communicate much better than in writing.

Since I don't want to know how many German patients she looks after, it can happen that she forgets something. So you should always think along and check everything carefully and, of course, express your experiences!!!!

The things I described sometimes annoyed and stressed me, but I was always able to clarify them.

Of course, I can't yet say what the care looks like in the event of failed attempts (I'd rather not😉- but I've heard from other people that it was then very difficult for the person concerned to get an appointment with Dr. Uher...

We didn't do it - but maybe you could take a tour and make an appointment at every clinic that is on your shortlist!

If you have any questions - please don't hesitate to ask!

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Great idea, but unfortunately these initial consultations usually cost money. We did the same 25 years ago, but back then it was all free of charge. It's a shame that this is no longer the case today.

That's true, of course!

A few days ago I had the bill in my hand for the initial consultation (my examination plus spermiogram)... 200 euros!

Sometimes online initial consultations are free of charge, and we have used this to some extent.

I think Purehaeven s summary is super good. It was similar for me.

I would be happy to summarize in detail again, but it will take a while. With my baby starting to crawl, I hardly have a minute to spare.

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Carolinsche There are clinics that we would never visit or with which we do not wish to work. This is for internal reasons that have nothing to do with quality. These include some clinics in the Czech Republic and Spain, to which members here repeatedly go and also come back pregnant. We do not agree with the philosophy of these clinics, so we will not include them.

We wanted to keep the answer as neutral as possible.

LG

Claudia & Chris

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Does this also apply to Ferticare?

Good morning !

Yes, exactly - everything is frozen and you can start according to your own wishes.

I had a look at "Cube".

The reviews are great at first ...

Just from the feeling - I could be wrong - I think you get it on the sidelines ... if you're leaning towards Cube, maybe pay attention to the following:

It reminds me of our experience with IVI Valecia.

IVI Valencia is a "giant machine" - renowned doctors, perfectly fluent coordinators ... but you are an absolute number and once you have paid, you are virtually at their mercy. I was just "processed" !!!!

At Ferticare I experienced a more individual and personalized service, even if it was sometimes a bit bumpy!

LG